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margalabargala 12 hours ago [-]
What the article's prompt wanted to warn of, has already happened. For a decade at least.
Personal blogs aren't going to disappear, there's right now more of them than ever! And there will be more! But the preponderance of sheer cruft will reduce their percentage.
Discoverability of the content you want has always been the problem, and it still will be.
duskwuff 10 hours ago [-]
> Personal blogs aren't going to disappear, there's right now more of them than ever!
I'm not at all convinced. The personal blog, as it existed in the 2000s/2010s, is essentially dead. There are certainly still some sites which operate on that model - most commonly, in my experience, ones operated by professional authors or artists - but those, too, are increasingly rare.
In fact, I think this is an aspect of a broader trend - having a personal web site is increasingly uncommon. The default nowadays is to post your creations or experiences on social media, and to create communities within hosted services like Reddit or Discord.
margalabargala 8 hours ago [-]
There's a difference between a personal blog and a personal website. I'll agree the amount of updates to personal websites is likely declining.
Personal blogs are not necessarily self hosted. Substack is very popular and not uncommon nor dying.
duskwuff 8 hours ago [-]
> Personal blogs are not necessarily self hosted. Substack is very popular and not uncommon nor dying.
That isn't necessarily quite as personal as a personal blog from the era I'm remembering, though. My impression is that Substack blogs (as well as similar sites like Medium) are typically used for content about particular topics, deliberately crafted to appeal to the interests of some audience. They're more akin to a newspaper column than a diary, if that comparison makes sense.
Some contemporary social media sites which operated on this model were LiveJournal and Xanga.
ge96 10 hours ago [-]
Yeah it does kind of suck where you have to go to someplace like reddit to get content and people have to "low-key" drop a link to their source blog
raychis 10 hours ago [-]
The web from the 90s was so much more fun. I have a vivid memory of a website from some guy dedicated to Liverpool FC and his favourite dinosaurs, you would never get that kind of random fun any more.
mdotk 8 hours ago [-]
Definitely still exists. You just can't find it amidst everything else.
VulgarExigency 12 hours ago [-]
The web as I knew it is already dead. It has been dead for years. I don't understand why the blog owner had the AI that wrote the article focus on technology like Flash vs HTML5, those had no bearing on what actually mattered, which were communities.
What killed the web was the rise of social media and social media-like sites like Reddit. No one makes a website for their hobby or game/book/movie they're a fan of, and a forum and/or IRC channel for their site, anymore. They just post about it on Facebook or Twitter, or maybe on a subreddit for it, but the sense of community that used to be part of it is totally gone. You don't really get to know people like you used to on a forum. Niche Discord servers don't have this problem as much, but they suffer greatly in terms of discoverability.
AI has made it even worse, because now you can't even be sure you're talking to a person, but in my opinion the centralization around social media was far more damaging.
fsflover 11 hours ago [-]
> No one makes a website for their hobby or game/book/movie they're a fan of
This is just not true. We even have a dedicated web search for that: https:// wiby.me
plastic-enjoyer 10 hours ago [-]
This is obviously a hyperbole and you obviously know what he means with it.
fsflover 10 hours ago [-]
In the absolute numbers, the parent is probably wrong. In percentage they're right.
senderista 12 hours ago [-]
> Maybe this article will be read by humans. Maybe it will be summarized by an AI into two polite lines for someone curious on the other side of the planet.
Maybe it was generated by an AI in the first place.
alabut 12 hours ago [-]
I get the impression a lot of people use ai to clean up writing when English isn’t their first language, which unfortunately means they can’t see the robotic generic tone it creates. E.g. the references to user groups in Buenos Aires.
One way they could maybe counteract it is approach it like code golf - can you use an LLM to make it much, much shorter? Because being overly verbose dilutes the handful of points you’re trying to make.
ben_w 10 hours ago [-]
> I get the impression a lot of people use ai to clean up writing when English isn’t their first language, which unfortunately means they can’t see the robotic generic tone it creates. E.g. the references to user groups in Buenos Aires.
At this point, so many things include it as a feature that this is probably the default. Like spellcheck and grammar check 26 years ago (memories of editing page 6 of my coursework only for everything to get a red squiggle underline at once because Word had randomly decided the entire thing was in a different language).
Today I keep finding I want to write "unironically" into HN comments, no, this is not the right word.
*My best guess* is that crudeness of various kinds is going to be a proof of humanity fairly soon. not just swearing but violent language and obscenities, nocap, slang, spell everifing a bit rong, and definitely no symbol you need a modifier key to reach (so these brackets are right out, but this also directly excludes caps because shift is a modifier key). Gen-Z-ers will be mocked by Gen Alpha for using emoji. That kind of thing.
alabut 9 hours ago [-]
Oh yeah, we’re already there. In fact it’s a pre-ai thing too, where I saw a cyclist YouTuber explain how making thumbnails look too professional is an anti-signal. People often crave authenticity over production value.
lbrito 12 hours ago [-]
Yeah I thought the same. The short sentences, like "The Web may become like IRC, FTP, Gopher, or BBSs. Not dead. Just smaller.", kind of gave that impression.
lwhi 11 hours ago [-]
Unless the author's taking styling tips from AI prose.
reconnecting 12 hours ago [-]
> Not megabits. Not gigabits. Not fiber.
...
> Not BBSs. Not CD-ROM encyclopedias. Not isolated digital islands.
...
> Artists had websites. Musicians had websites. Game developers had websites.
...
> People want answers. People want connection. People want tools.
This is just impossible to read.
mcphage 12 hours ago [-]
It’s not impossible to read, just… pointless.
mumbisChungo 12 hours ago [-]
Already has.
plagiarist 12 hours ago [-]
It is already gone. Actual content has been flooded out by millions if not billions of affiliate ad listicles where, completely coincidentally, the top ten best $product are also the first ten $product on the Amazon search page.
spwa4 11 hours ago [-]
There is more content than ever before accessible. It's just harder to find. If anything, this is a total failure of Google (and other search sites)
I wonder what this will mean for the future, both of Google and for finding information on the web.
tonymet 12 hours ago [-]
none of these platforms exists without the people and the content they produce. I’m less worried about the platforms and more worried about the contributors , what they are contributing, and which ones are favored, and why.
smitty1e 6 hours ago [-]
> The next interface for many tasks will be conversational. Not necessarily one chatbot. More likely a layer of assistants across devices, apps, operating systems, browsers, cars, TVs, glasses, and whatever strange object Silicon Valley convinces us to wear on our faces next.
There is also that famous legacy application: other people.
The bad news about AI is that I am now the product.
This will seem fine for a vast swath of the population.
But watch the Luddism thrive.
johnea 8 hours ago [-]
What do you mean by "We" Kimosabe?
For dipshits who think aggregating ad-based websites, and hate filled doom-loop algorithmic feeds, are "the web", this may be true.
But the rest of us, who aren't part of this "we", will still be here...
paul7986 12 hours ago [-]
Actually i think AI will make the web the backbone of humanity once a system is in place that gets all humans paid for our daily content (conversations, pics, videos, songs, movies, etc). All of us create content daily via living. The web now is a system that all of humanity owns and its not controlled by one company or organization. It can be a place where every human publishes our daily content to our own websites for AI to pay us to access it and feed off of it.
I see Trump saying he's going to be talking to AI companies about them providing Americans with stock. That's one way AI pays us and this other idea I mention above and wrote about on my Substack https://ryanspahn.substack.com/p/ai-to-pay-for-all-americans...
nancyminusone 12 hours ago [-]
yeah, but they won't be paying you. Not today, not ever. That's a pretty fundamental premise of the whole AI phenomenon.
paul7986 6 hours ago [-]
So we as humanity should let AI destroy the money economy / society we have built over centuries for a handful of billionares or we should demand that AI pays us for thriving off our content?
Your comment says I dont care let it destroy society there's nothing we can do. But there is we can think of ideas and deploy such to ensure humanity thrives as AI does too.
RajT88 12 hours ago [-]
> once a system is in place that gets all humans paid for our daily content (conversations, pics, videos, songs, movies, etc).
That is never going to happen, lol. That's what Youtube was supposed to be, and the trend is to pay content creators less and less, while keeping them creating the same amount of content.
> It can be a place where every human publishes our daily content to our own websites for AI to pay us to access it and feed off of it.
Social media will still exist. People will want to share content with each other, and it has to live somewhere. Sure, a lot of the interactions with LLM's will go back into the training data, that's already happening. But people aren't going to stop publishing content - because what happens then when there's no more training data out there?
You can't train an AI model without updated repositories of information. There is a bit of a question on whether an AI agent should be the interface for those repositories. Today, that's a very expensive proposition, and probably a silly direction to go (at some point, cheaper ways of doing things are going to win out for some use cases).
> I see Trump saying he's going to be talking to AI companies about them providing Americans with stock.
And this is proof positive why it's a bad idea that will never gain traction.
cdrnsf 12 hours ago [-]
The only Americans likely to be furnished with stock have the same last name as the president.
1shooner 12 hours ago [-]
That is a very... optimistic interpretation of what Trump is describing in your link.
paul7986 6 hours ago [-]
ah two different concepts which i outline my idea of AI paying all of us for our content. What Trump is talking about is a different concept where all Americans get free stock in AI companies. Both my idea and that one gets us paid for our content that AI needs in order to thrive.
I say AI needs to provide both concepts and any others that gets us paid for our content / making it thrive!
fred_is_fred 12 hours ago [-]
The US President has no legal means to give every American stock - and even if he did, then what? What good is my 1 share of OpenAI going to do me?
icepush 8 hours ago [-]
In a long enough timescale it's easy to imagine one company run by an advanced AI driving all other companies out of business. Since it has no expenses, all profits are paid out as dividends, creating a kind of UBI where the number of shares you own determines your income. This has been discussed as an economic model by people who want advanced AI but don't want to get rid of public markets and shareholders.
Personal blogs aren't going to disappear, there's right now more of them than ever! And there will be more! But the preponderance of sheer cruft will reduce their percentage.
Discoverability of the content you want has always been the problem, and it still will be.
I'm not at all convinced. The personal blog, as it existed in the 2000s/2010s, is essentially dead. There are certainly still some sites which operate on that model - most commonly, in my experience, ones operated by professional authors or artists - but those, too, are increasingly rare.
In fact, I think this is an aspect of a broader trend - having a personal web site is increasingly uncommon. The default nowadays is to post your creations or experiences on social media, and to create communities within hosted services like Reddit or Discord.
Personal blogs are not necessarily self hosted. Substack is very popular and not uncommon nor dying.
That isn't necessarily quite as personal as a personal blog from the era I'm remembering, though. My impression is that Substack blogs (as well as similar sites like Medium) are typically used for content about particular topics, deliberately crafted to appeal to the interests of some audience. They're more akin to a newspaper column than a diary, if that comparison makes sense.
Some contemporary social media sites which operated on this model were LiveJournal and Xanga.
What killed the web was the rise of social media and social media-like sites like Reddit. No one makes a website for their hobby or game/book/movie they're a fan of, and a forum and/or IRC channel for their site, anymore. They just post about it on Facebook or Twitter, or maybe on a subreddit for it, but the sense of community that used to be part of it is totally gone. You don't really get to know people like you used to on a forum. Niche Discord servers don't have this problem as much, but they suffer greatly in terms of discoverability.
AI has made it even worse, because now you can't even be sure you're talking to a person, but in my opinion the centralization around social media was far more damaging.
This is just not true. We even have a dedicated web search for that: https:// wiby.me
Maybe it was generated by an AI in the first place.
One way they could maybe counteract it is approach it like code golf - can you use an LLM to make it much, much shorter? Because being overly verbose dilutes the handful of points you’re trying to make.
At this point, so many things include it as a feature that this is probably the default. Like spellcheck and grammar check 26 years ago (memories of editing page 6 of my coursework only for everything to get a red squiggle underline at once because Word had randomly decided the entire thing was in a different language).
Today I keep finding I want to write "unironically" into HN comments, no, this is not the right word.
*My best guess* is that crudeness of various kinds is going to be a proof of humanity fairly soon. not just swearing but violent language and obscenities, nocap, slang, spell everifing a bit rong, and definitely no symbol you need a modifier key to reach (so these brackets are right out, but this also directly excludes caps because shift is a modifier key). Gen-Z-ers will be mocked by Gen Alpha for using emoji. That kind of thing.
...
> Not BBSs. Not CD-ROM encyclopedias. Not isolated digital islands.
...
> Artists had websites. Musicians had websites. Game developers had websites.
...
> People want answers. People want connection. People want tools.
This is just impossible to read.
I wonder what this will mean for the future, both of Google and for finding information on the web.
There is also that famous legacy application: other people.
The bad news about AI is that I am now the product.
This will seem fine for a vast swath of the population.
But watch the Luddism thrive.
For dipshits who think aggregating ad-based websites, and hate filled doom-loop algorithmic feeds, are "the web", this may be true.
But the rest of us, who aren't part of this "we", will still be here...
I see Trump saying he's going to be talking to AI companies about them providing Americans with stock. That's one way AI pays us and this other idea I mention above and wrote about on my Substack https://ryanspahn.substack.com/p/ai-to-pay-for-all-americans...
Your comment says I dont care let it destroy society there's nothing we can do. But there is we can think of ideas and deploy such to ensure humanity thrives as AI does too.
That is never going to happen, lol. That's what Youtube was supposed to be, and the trend is to pay content creators less and less, while keeping them creating the same amount of content.
> It can be a place where every human publishes our daily content to our own websites for AI to pay us to access it and feed off of it.
Social media will still exist. People will want to share content with each other, and it has to live somewhere. Sure, a lot of the interactions with LLM's will go back into the training data, that's already happening. But people aren't going to stop publishing content - because what happens then when there's no more training data out there?
You can't train an AI model without updated repositories of information. There is a bit of a question on whether an AI agent should be the interface for those repositories. Today, that's a very expensive proposition, and probably a silly direction to go (at some point, cheaper ways of doing things are going to win out for some use cases).
> I see Trump saying he's going to be talking to AI companies about them providing Americans with stock.
And this is proof positive why it's a bad idea that will never gain traction.
I say AI needs to provide both concepts and any others that gets us paid for our content / making it thrive!